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I DEFINITELY agree that she’s near MJ status in her own  right.  Of course there will never be another MJ because that’s just simply impossible to duplicate his greatness, but Beyonce is near a close second.  Her concerts are TRUE concerts that showcase her actual talent and hard work.  Who else sings perfectly, and dances full out and gives flawless performances? (I’ll wait) I’m 21 and I’ve been a Queen Bey fan for forever.  I think she’s legendary  and 20 years from now when she’s still amazing maybe the nay sayers will agree that she’s legendary.  Contrary to the majority of the artists that make music today she actually has a career with longevity.  Bey won’t go out of style with the next fad the way Ke$ha or GaGa etc will.

Plus the Queen will snatch a wig with so much elegance that u’d be glad she did! she WERKS!!

MJ legendary type stuff= MJ status.  You used MJ as a comparison to how “big” she is getting. Reading and writing comprehension smh.

 I’ve” bought” MJ albums thanks.  Mike just wanted a piece of that ass, he was frontin’. 

 ::crying::

I agree with both of you I don’t think he was discrediting her more so showing reason why you shouldn’t pre-maturely give her a title. Yes she is the top entertainer of our time but I don’t think the collection of music she has made ‘so far’ will be as memorable as the classics.The minute MJ made thriller is what cemented him as a legend, it was never done. She has yet to me to have that groundbreaking, legendary moment in music and like many have stated she’s sometimes too walled especially to be an R&B singer she’s not that relatable personally. 

…. I wonder if I can outdo myself with long typing…I think so…I want to give everything you said a fair chunk of input.  

“Confessions” and “Never Say Never” were huge in sales and noterierty so they were career defining for that artist and explosive for the r&b genre.  Adding the word ‘even’ was to say they are lessers to “Thriller” (what isn’t??) but  are they achievable modern day iconic ? Yes. I said that to say, Beyonce has yet to deliver a critical/commercial/lingering album.  ”Dangerously in Love” was probably the closest to it but in MJ comparison world, it’s just her “Dangerous” album. Never.. was Brandy’s “Off the Wall”, “Confessions” was Usher’s “Thriller”…

Though you may type like a intellectual music lover in your mind, you’re just a Bey stan who can spell iconclasm. Do you know why you used it? In your sentencing you paint it that I’m tearing down the popular belief that Beyonce is the next MJ. Why use a word with religious undertones though? I don’t subscribe to the blasphemy of naming (wo)man after God like ‘Beysus” or “Mariah-allah” or whatever people say…. But you’re letting me know you do..or…? Whatever

Maybe few are liking your status because they disagree…but maybe because you’re trying to sound smart since I came off wordy from length of my post alone.  So I shall choose to paraphrase you for anyone else.

1) I can’t try Bee’s lyric shallowness because I mentioned “Thriller” “Unbreak My Heart” and “Never Say Never” and “Rated R”.  Well working backwards “Rated R” is full of great metaphors about Rihanna’s emotional state post trauma and about the incident with Chris itself. It’s her life…in words.  You obviously don’t know many lyrics to “Never Say Never”, some of Rodney Jerkin’s best work and Brandy co-wrote several tracks and gave a lot for 17yr-18yr old.  “Unbreak My Heart” is fine lyrically, and overall content wise, your fave Bee uses Diane Warren sooo. It’s mentioned because it’s her signature song , which is a classic ballad that non r&b fans still learn to this day, unlike Beyonce’s signature song which is….”Single Ladies”…”Crazy in love” …with fine words like “”Who he think he is?” Look at what you did to me
Tennis shoes, don’t even need to buy a new dress”….  Great production though and told a good story of obsession.  But “Unbreak My Heart” was bigger and “Single Ladies” was a more successful song for Beyonce.    “Thriller” doesn’t have great lyrics???  Are you referring to the title song or..?”  Even the lyrics of the song “Thriller” alone…the ambition to make a pop single from a song of horror inspired lyrics. It’s storytelling.  And the album lyrics are varied and full of substance.  Beyonce has some of the most shallow lyrics ever, sorry not sorry.  You started your reply like you had some unbiased sense but you can’t see past your idoltry worship….  or maybe you can…. let’s continue

2) I didn’t discredit sales…so you are right there. I can’t. I didn’t timidly disregard grammy’s.  I said no one cares down the line (as legends like Diana have none and one hit wonders have some) Since 95 Grammy selection has been controversial (Beyond the rap category which faced skepticism at it’s induction).  ANYWHO Grammy is not critically based, it’s voter based..industry voters who don’t include all critics…
So my ‘poorly constructive narrative’ isn’t that.  I said people won’t care how many awards she got a decade from now when her legacy will be tested.  I didn’t say they weren’t accurate (until this reply ^_^ ) . She does have few critical acclaim for body of work & all her success and praise is commercial. I said an icon “of MJ’s status”  should have both.

3) My reply wasn’t passive aggressive shade. It was very clear what I was saying, she’s not Michael Jackson. I clearly complimented what she has proven herself at ..work ethic, accolades, voice.  If I wanted to shade her I’d breakdown how entertainment wise she’s actually the best of the worst and the worst of the best musically. My 1st paragraph would be on voice…. The 2nd on her ‘dancing’  But I wasn’t really coming for Beyonce like..that….. . I let her live lots… I didn’t insert analysis’ of PERSONAL faves into much of it and say what I dislike about Beyonce. I just wrote on why she’s not close to MJ .  You must feel I gave idk, Rihanna or someone too much, but I would never say Rih’s close to MJ. Just noting that some things that Bey lacks from being there Rihanna has. Of course what Rih lacks is a lot more. Don’t get confused.

4). I’ll just quote your next…thing  “  I can’t name one #1 Barbera Streisand album, or Cher, Tina, Patti, Diana Ross etc yet there they are posted on the Icon roster. Know why? because icons are not made in soundscands they are made in moments”
If you believed what you said in that last sentence you wouldn’t have replied in this post.
 The fact that you can’t name their albums means what. Again commercial +critical  + remembrance over time= icon.  
  Cher got started in the 60’s and she’s still getting name checked by Nicki Minaj in 2011 and you do know her iconic songs if not albums. Do you think Beyonce , as we know her now and her music will be name checked in 50 years…will Beyonce’s music be replayed, or loved by someone who DOESN’T know the name of a Beyonce album in 50 years? Will Michael Jackson’s ….yep.  
Oh and fun fact, “What’s Love Got To Do With It” and “Why Do Fools Fall in Love”  are album titles…so I’m sure you know 1 ….well now you do. You’re welcome.

5) You say that we will forget the personalities of today’s artists. First, understand that half of my posting was about Beyonce’s upcoming hbo special and why her docs do little for her as an artist.    I said Beyonce needs to give artistic self expression through albums or these docs.  And yes, people do remember persona’s (Diana Ross’s “boss” legacy IS remembered as Mariah’s will be) .   If people don’t remember Brandy or Rihanna’s personalities ..umm..ok… this isn’t a post about how un-Michael Jackson like they are of I’d say “While they do have personalities they lack this  ________ “  You realize that my post was long as hell because I spoke on several factors. Taking 1 factor to the side to say Brandy or Rihanna have it but it pales to Beyonce or Toni Braxton doesn’t have it or whatever is redundant… I’m saying Beyonce isn’t MJ because she pales in comparsion to him and his legacy across the board. Do you want me to write why Usher is not Michael Jackson’s 2nd coming…. you feeling a little defensive about Beyonce? It’s not JUST her who’s not there…I said that…

6)”Fans and non-fans alike will remember her singing at the first black president’s inaugeration, her” – I actually forgot and I just read a huge collector’s book/scrapbook about Obama two days ago …..I do remember Aretha’s hat around that time though…
No one will remember Glastonbury in 5 years (if they haven’t already forgotton)…..unless their parents are fans…  Because A) it’s forgettable  but..1 reason it’s forgettable is because Beyonce generally doesn’t open doors and hold them open. She walks behind the door someone else has opened and let’s it close on your face instead of just putting her hand on it for a second. Lots of her “feats” have not been repeated and will not be repeated by a black woman even if another artist is deserving because they are not connected/right color/ not pop enough, etc etc.  
I did read up on Glastonbury…it’s forgettable..  but did you “remember” Diana Ross singing outside in NYC rain in front of thousands?  … That’s a moment…

“her announcing of her pregnancy on the MTV awards, and a many Billboard performances that rescued fatigued viewers from the mundane efforts of her lesser contemporaries. Single Ladies? 
“
MTV awards announcement…very cute..emotional…not legendary…not iconic… not memorable.
And ah….no one will remember Billboard performance..and “Single Ladies” is cool to be remembered by…it’s like MC Hammer with “2 Legit”… cool.
“Yeah that’s kind of a big deal.” – nope.. it’s not

Ok..I’m just going to continue to quote you cuz…you got me messed up

“ Sure its not ‘Confessions’ (-_-) but I’ll venture to say despite that she has cemented herself in the pop culture psyche. Now while I don’t condone any premature labeling of ‘Legend’ its just as futile for those to confirm it as it is for you to deny it. That’s for time to decide. “
-   K. … I said time will tell…my whole post was about how she could get there (with more artistry and album sales…and personal connection ) but it’s not premature to not see it for her because I’m judging by what’s been seen…to judge the future is to judge what’s unseen. And I didn’t… I can’t say “she’ll never make it” so I didn’t.

7) “But the fact remains, your faves , and your mama’s faves praise her,they wanna collaborate with her, and yes they (Including Rihanna. Adele, Elle Varner, Jordin Sparks,) cite her as influences.”
Most of my ‘faves’ are dead , and were in their artistic prime before Beyonce was solo or before she was born. Of the living…hmm 1 loves her, definitely wouldn’t use her influence…..because..that’s hustling backwards.
And I said people love her. As far as influence…no…they love her….they don’t have Beyonce-isms (aside from Rihanna’s 2nd album as I stated). Because she doesn’t really have vocal-isms. Or dance-isms…or anything original to replicate-ism. She honors her music ancestors well, and that’s no shade.
Chris Brown , Ginuwine, Usher, Bieber, and a bunch of people who never made it USE Michael Jackson. As Whitney Houston once said “I love you but I don’t live for you”.  And that sums it up there. Elle Varner might play a lot of Beyonce but listening to her and looking at her as an artist you would never know. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

 8) “She is far more widely discussed/debated than any of her contemporaries without meat dresses,  edgy IG pictures, fist fights, and the need to encourage voyeurism via social media. These are not the realities of someone who is one decade away from fading into obscurity.”
 
- Yeah Chrianna won’t be no MJ’s huh? I never suggested they would. And she’s talked about now..because she made music last year and performed this year…she’s relevant…she’s out.   
It’s easy to be discussed when you’re popping…. There’s no indication that a decade from now she’ll still have that or after 6 years off she would…  You don’t think she can be replaced?

 “But deep down, you know that don’t you?..yeah”
-  Deep down I know that a Beyonce stan will start an articulate reply but fill the reply with fangirling to ‘prove’  I’m wrong because they think I don’t like Beyonce and want to discredit her when in reality I know that she’s amazing and artistically underrated and hasn’t bought into any accolades and her soundscan is a lie and she is not just hot because her competition sucks /is recovering from sucking and she gives just enough time away to miss her but not forget her because I just knoowww she can’t be forgotton regardless

No …no I didn’t know THAT
You don’t know my bias. You have no idea who my ‘faves’ are by reading what I wrote or how much I do/don’t love Beyonce. My logic isn’t moot…if it was she’d undeniably be MJ part 2 and well…it’s denied .
No , I didn’t work very hard..I just typed. I mean…I finished college….a few paragraphs is easy , fun even, when you’ve written 100 pages of something to be graded.

 “Now, lets just all sit back, wait for the doc to air, and fasten our wigs while King B once again implants herself in the annex of minds to haters, and fans alike. Umkay?”

If I would’ve scrolled down and saw you call her King B I definitely wouldn’t have responded because you’re biased.  I’m not Thanks for playing.